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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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win even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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and existence of cryptids in the

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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phantoms of monsters radio where we

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explore and discuss

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the unknown and the unexplained i'm your

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host lon strickler thanks for joining me

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this evening

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uh before we get started uh i want to

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very much needed and appreciated so

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tonight i welcome

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pennsylvania ufo and anomalies

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investigator and colleague stan gordon

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to phantoms of monsters radio

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now stan began his interest in the ufo

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subject and other strange incidents at

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the age of 10 1959

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he began the in

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the field investigations ufos and other

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mysterious events in 1965

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and is the primary investigator of the

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december 9 1965 ufo crash recovery

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incident that occurred near kecksburg

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pennsylvania

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now stan is a former

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state director for mufon

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here in pennsylvania and has been

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involved with the investigation of

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thousands of mysterious

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encounters throughout the commonwealth

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of pennsylvania and stan has been

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featured in several films and

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documentaries

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stan's four books are a combination of

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his extensive field research

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now his latest book is titled creepy

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cryptids

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and strange ufo encounters of

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pennsylvania bigfoot thunderbirds

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mysteries of chestnut ridge and more

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stan's website can be found

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at stan gordon dot info so stan thanks

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for joining me this evening

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it's always good to be uh on and

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discussing things with you

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yeah we had a little trouble here

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you know i i i for whatever reason i

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didn't even think about

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hooking you up on the phone but

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i i hope everybody can hear you okay

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uh so um

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you know i saw the title of your book i

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just got it a couple days ago and uh

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creepy cryptids i don't think i've ever

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seen you write the word creepy and much

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of anything

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so

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what's different about this time around

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well um you know the i've been involved

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in this now for a long long time this is

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going on 63 years of research this year

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again as you had mentioned i've been

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involved with thousands of ufo sightings

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and hundreds of bigfoot encrypted cases

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across pennsylvania and these sightings

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never end it's year after year a lot of

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activity last year a year before

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some of the cases i've been working on

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they're getting strange

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from a stranger and i know you've had

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humanoid book and uh i know this is a

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phenomena you and i kind of touched on a

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pretext of uh thunderbirds because one a

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where this uh witness had observed this

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flying creature actually she was in a

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that happened she saw the biggest bird

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and it's looking down and making eye

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she felt right away that she became

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about eight feet behind her

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this thing has his talons out and this

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of the office to get away from this

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thing and with a very interesting uh

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interview with her i have the whole

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report on my website they can read the

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whole story on there but apparently the

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professional person that she was going

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have the meeting with had apparently in

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the past had also a similar encounter

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with a very similar huge flying creature

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on their property so it goes into uh the

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information on that as well but what's

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interesting with this case was the fact

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that it came down within seven ten feet

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of the witness made direct eye contact

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with this witness and then several

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about this never heard about these kind

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of stories was sitting outside when this

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huge flying creature came down within

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they were both very very shook up

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thing so you have these huge flying

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creature reports but then also again as

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thunderbirds we also have reports for

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very credible people

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that's aware of what they saw the

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prehistoric

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it's become known as the uh the butler

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gargoyle report and um that was kind of

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an interesting report as well

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and um i don't know if you want me to go

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over that report or not with you i know

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we've talked about you go ahead and

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rehash yet that's okay and by the way i

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want to thank lacey wings for their um

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their donation go ahead sam

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okay well anyhow uh the witness who over

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the years i've got to know very well

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and his family he's a professional

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and i know him all i know him also

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he and i have talked not too long ago go

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okay so anyhow it's early morning hours

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between uh trekor and east

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brady and he said he's riding down the

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he realized that this thing was at least

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about eight foot tall had walked in

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front of a big like a yellow sign

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steps and goes into the woods so he said

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when he saw it was kind of a human a

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that appeared to have smooth

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leather-like skin that was either kind

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of a dark tan or a light brown color

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and the head was kind of shaped like an

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aerodynamic helmet the face was flat

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i believe the eyes were they were not

291
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clearly defined but they may have been

292
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pointed in the corner

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and um

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the arms were muscular and a little

295
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longer than that of a human the hand had

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claws on them

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and he said the one thing that really

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stood out

299
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was his extremely muscular legs

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and he said the legs did not move like

301
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that of a human they looked like they

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bent backwards

303
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and it appeared to have wings on its

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back that were tucked into its body with

305
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the wingtips extending towards the side

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of its head

307
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and what was really interesting about

308
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that case was within days

309
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uh dan hagman up there at the uh butler

310
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organization research unexplained they

311
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had several reports from other people in

312
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that area that described seeing

313
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something very similar right

314
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you know

315
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out there in butler and out there in

316
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your area we've had a lot of wing being

317
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uh big at large owls um humanoid owls

318
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uh of course with the pterosaur type

319
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beings and the uh the thunderbirds let

320
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me ask you this you know since we do get

321
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a lot of those defensively and of course

322
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this is the state i've had my encounter

323
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as well

324
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just north of gettysburg back in 88

325
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what are your thoughts on these do you

326
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believe that there's a supernatural

327
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aspect of these beings or you believe

328
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that they're flushing blood and well i

329
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think i think they're flushing blood

330
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regardless but you think they're

331
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indigenous what are your thoughts on

332
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that

333
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okay now are we talking about the the

334
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thunderbird type report

335
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about

336
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this

337
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yeah we can kind of split it up what do

338
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you believe in in each case

339
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well it's really hard it's really hard

340
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to determine because there's not a lot

341
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of really not enough data on that

342
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um we're looking through some of the

343
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bigfoot and some of the other cryptid

344
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and some of the other cases i work on

345
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well there's a lot of information that

346
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suggests we might be dealing with

347
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something as strange as it sounds but

348
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for a lack of a better term we might be

349
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doing something interdimensional there

350
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appears to be a physical and

351
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non-physical component to it

352
00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:15,680
uh with these giant bird reports again

353
00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:17,839
the whole thing is this one you know

354
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we've talked about these various type of

355
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cryptic cases for years uh we have these

356
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last few years i know you've had reports

357
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we've had these very tall

358
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hairless thin secret looking humanoid

359
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creatures that are really strange

360
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reports and they've come very close to

361
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people in some cases and then we have

362
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some very weird things with the black

363
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panthers were out of place and even a

364
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sighting just last week here up on the

365
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ridge

366
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um

367
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and all these other weird things and i

368
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found some really interesting patterns

369
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we can talk about with the black panther

370
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sightings and how they might be somehow

371
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associated with uh some of the bigfoot

372
00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:54,079
activity actually

373
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uh

374
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with with the big flying creature

375
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reports

376
00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:00,320
i i've heard some things that i can't

377
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:01,680
confirm i've heard some things from

378
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,920
other researchers i'm in touch with i

379
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,839
heard the case a few years ago up in the

380
00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:07,680
ridge a person saw

381
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i believe it was a large huge white uh

382
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flying creature

383
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and as i recall that the reporter said

384
00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,680
the investigator told me that the

385
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witness podium it was strange enough to

386
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,480
see that thing but it was transparent

387
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,160
that you could see through it

388
00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:26,480
and that's kind of interesting because

389
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:28,160
that fits in with some of the other

390
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:30,079
cryptic cases i've been investigating

391
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:31,199
for years

392
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,160
so

393
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:34,320
and again i got off track what we talked

394
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,480
about a long time ago is this you have

395
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,399
all these reports coming in year after

396
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:40,720
year and there's a lot of weird things

397
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,480
that again we haven't even talked about

398
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:44,000
with various cryptis and you get the

399
00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:45,680
reports i get them others are getting

400
00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:47,680
these type of reports

401
00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:50,720
there's no way that we can have so many

402
00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:53,519
unknown species of animals out there it

403
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:55,120
makes no sense

404
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:58,320
yeah but so many credible people who are

405
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:00,320
seeing these things to see and give us

406
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:02,480
the similarities and reports you see the

407
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,880
patterns over the years so there's

408
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:06,720
something going on

409
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:07,600
but

410
00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:10,639
again i think more and more

411
00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:12,320
for a lack of a better term i think

412
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,000
we're dealing with something that comes

413
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:16,240
in and out of our reality at times

414
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,680
leaves evidence and then they're gone

415
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:18,959
these things they come and they go

416
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,880
they're here and they're gone

417
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:22,160
well you know if you live and

418
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,920
investigate in pennsylvania you're going

419
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,519
to have to be a little more open-minded

420
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:28,240
i believe as opposed to most other areas

421
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:30,160
now of course which we've been doing

422
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:32,320
without in in the upper midwest with the

423
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:34,720
winged humanoids we we believe the same

424
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,720
thing well that these are some type of

425
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,320
interdimensional being

426
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:40,639
i want to thank the apocalypse for their

427
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:43,199
uh membership and uh their donation

428
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,320
thanks again

429
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,720
and uh

430
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,360
i don't know i mean you know

431
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:51,360
the the different types of women beings

432
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,320
that we

433
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:54,639
that people encounter report to us here

434
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:57,600
in pennsylvania i i guess it can get

435
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,079
confusing but um

436
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:02,720
i i personally believe that myself that

437
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,839
the uh the thunderbird like beings the

438
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,880
uh

439
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:09,120
possibly the teradorn type beings maybe

440
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,040
some type of indigenous

441
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:13,600
uh entity but yeah i'm like i'm with you

442
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:14,480
on the

443
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,680
the human noise that's just a little too

444
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:19,839
too strange to be something other than

445
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,800
supernatural

446
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,120
yeah it's very strange and i know you've

447
00:16:28,389 --> 00:16:26,880
had cases over the years where people

448
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,399
have talked about some of these huge

449
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,480
flying things people are seeing in the

450
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,839
sky look something like giant stingrays

451
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,959
and i had an incident among others

452
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,040
uh last year

453
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,440
and this was uh in september of last

454
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,839
year and this was early morning so this

455
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,800
is

456
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,120
uh between greensburg and latrobe so

457
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,880
it's a rural area and the fellow was

458
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,040
early in the morning was pumping gas at

459
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:53,199
a gas station and this guy is very

460
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,399
credible

461
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:55,839
and um

462
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:57,040
he said he's

463
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:58,560
sitting there pumping gas standing or

464
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,920
pumping gas

465
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,519
and he happens to look up across the

466
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,400
road and he says he sees this huge

467
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,480
flying creature right over top of the

468
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:07,839
trees he said it was like watching

469
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:10,240
something from jurassic park but he told

470
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:11,039
me

471
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:15,280
oversized stingray in the sky

472
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,400
and

473
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:18,480
he only it per second he said it was all

474
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,520
dark color had very long legs and a tail

475
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,000
had a very wide wingspan it occasionally

476
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,160
flapped its wings but it just soared

477
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,400
most of the time that it was being seen

478
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,559
and he's very familiar with turkey

479
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,720
vultures and blue aarons and other birds

480
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,480
in the area and he said this was

481
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,760
completely different than anything

482
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,080
they'd ever seen before

483
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:40,720
did that sighting happen to be near any

484
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,110
no i mean is there are there lakes

485
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,720
around the area

486
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:50,480
within miles but nothing right in that

487
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,720
immediate area that i can think of

488
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:54,400
yeah because you know the signs i've

489
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:56,559
gotten for whatever reason seem to be

490
00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:00,000
near a larger river or a or lake or pond

491
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,440
or something so

492
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,960
yeah you know i've been i've been

493
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,000
looking

494
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,559
into these flying mounted manta ray type

495
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,080
beans

496
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,559
um i kind of i'm kind of at the point

497
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:12,720
now where i believe there's some type of

498
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,720
bio ufo or bio craft of some type

499
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:18,880
uh you know it's interesting i don't

500
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:22,000
know if it's a mimic of a an actual

501
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:23,440
manta ray that

502
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:26,320
it is trying to be shown but uh they

503
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,120
seem to undulate like a a manta ray

504
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:31,440
that's in the water so uh

505
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:37,110
yeah there's there's just a lot of

506
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,559
strange things going on there and you

507
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,720
know what's really interesting here get

508
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,320
off the subject a little bit but back to

509
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:44,880
the ufo subject you know last few years

510
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,080
that very very active with ufo sightings

511
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:50,320
and actually various cryptid reports

512
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:53,600
and you know again reports come in here

513
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,080
in all types of weather at all seasons

514
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
all year round and generally year after

515
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,000
year when we start getting to the fall

516
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,840
and winter and the weather starts

517
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,240
deteriorating generally reports begin to

518
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,600
slow down

519
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,440
but actually

520
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:09,360
starting last october

521
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:12,320
we began to have a series kind of surge

522
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,600
of activity

523
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,520
and it went on through all the rest of

524
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:18,080
last year into this year into recent

525
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,200
weeks

526
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,160
uh numerous reports a lot of ufo

527
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,640
activity but a lot of it were large

528
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,120
objects in this case a larger scene at

529
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,000
very low level some very low the ground

530
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,480
uh some daylight reports

531
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,520
uh just just a very unusual amount of

532
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:38,640
really good quality ufo incidents coming

533
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,440
in

534
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,919
and and sometimes you know we have other

535
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,240
phenomena that turns up around the same

536
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:45,600
time period so

537
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,039
let me give you just an example sure uh

538
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,880
let me go through here a minute let me

539
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,400
go into my file

540
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,799
because this is kind of interesting i've

541
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:56,400
got a lot of low-level settings a lot of

542
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:57,679
reports of

543
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,480
triangular objects on the last several

544
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,600
months of cigar-shaped objects that type

545
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,280
of thing being reported

546
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,520
but

547
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,240
january 15th

548
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,000
of this year

549
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:15,430
came up

550
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,919
a man called in with a report now during

551
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,000
that time you know we're having very

552
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:22,880
very frigid weather for days and days

553
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,600
well below zero there were people were

554
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,120
having problems with their pipes

555
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,360
breaking and this fella

556
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,840
this was up in armstrong county

557
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,120
and

558
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,200
it was early morning uh

559
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,280
after three o'clock in the morning this

560
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,200
fella was very concerned that his water

561
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:40,960
line under his home was going to freeze

562
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,919
up so he he goes under this crawl space

563
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,360
under his house

564
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,080
and while as he's partly inside of the

565
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,960
the crawl space he hears this strange

566
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,520
humming clicking sound from behind him

567
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,480
but he didn't know where it was

568
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,919
originating from

569
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,520
so the next day

570
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,159
his neighbor lives across the street

571
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,760
contacts him

572
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,159
and says i want to tell you early this

573
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,720
morning he said i saw something very

574
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,200
strange right over top of my barn

575
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,880
and he went over and tell him the story

576
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,960
and happened to me during the time that

577
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,120
the other family's neighbor was

578
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,760
trying to work on his water pipes so i

579
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:19,280
got the interview the guy a couple days

580
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
later

581
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,320
and he told me that around

582
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,480
3 45 in the morning

583
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,799
he's away his awakened by the sound of

584
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,039
his horses being disturbed disturbed by

585
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,039
something they were the horses were

586
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,600
running around upset so he goes down on

587
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,919
his porch and looks towards the barn

588
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,280
but it's real dark down there and he

589
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:39,440
couldn't see much so he starts walking

590
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,559
down

591
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,480
towards the barn about 150 feet away

592
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,320
when suddenly these lights appeared over

593
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,440
the barn

594
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,679
and the lights were shining down

595
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,200
and you could see the horses moving

596
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,960
around and that's when he saw this

597
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,440
object hovering about 20 feet over top

598
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,640
of the barn

599
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:56,240
he said it looked kind of like a tear

600
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,919
drop shaped object about 65 to 70 feet

601
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,039
in length

602
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,120
it had a smooth silver or a metallic

603
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,200
look or something like stainless or

604
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,200
galvanized steel and he said it was

605
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,120
solid and smooth looking

606
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,120
it was emitting a humming and buzzing

607
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,679
sound there were numerous lights across

608
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,240
the surface that looked round there was

609
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,559
probably eight rows of 20 to 30 lights

610
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,480
on it that would change from a red to

611
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,559
blue and then back to a red color

612
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,919
and he said he watched this thing

613
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,000
hovering for about five minutes but he

614
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,600
didn't have a camera for anything on his

615
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,520
phone with him and he said you watched

616
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,440
the light suddenly went out

617
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,960
he said everything went dark and the

618
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,200
object just disappeared he said it did

619
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,679
not move away it just suddenly vanished

620
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,600
and disappeared and he said moments

621
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,600
later the horses all seemed to go back

622
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,280
to their normal behavior

623
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,200
so that was interesting in itself

624
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,880
however that wasn't the end of what's

625
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,640
going on so

626
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:49,840
about

627
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,400
morning over on the pennsylvania west

628
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,799
virginia border

629
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,520
one of my research associates jim brown

630
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,400
got a report and he's been investigating

631
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,760
this case

632
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,400
and a person went outside i think to get

633
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,400
a newspaper or take some garbage out or

634
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:10,880
whatever and notice this object in the

635
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,760
sky it was hard to define exactly but

636
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,000
wasn't that high up apparently but it

637
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,000
was kind of i think kind of a black area

638
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,240
there was a glow coming from it hard to

639
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,200
see the actual shape and

640
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,840
didn't hear any sounds at all so first

641
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,840
i'm thought it was very unusual went to

642
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,039
her home

643
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,520
to go inside to get a camera when she

644
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,600
touched the door handle

645
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,880
she got a

646
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,120
static charge an electric shock which

647
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,760
she never did before so she found a

648
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,799
camera

649
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,279
found her phone touched a handle again

650
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,600
and got another shock when she goes back

651
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,679
outside the object is gone

652
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
so she goes back into the house to call

653
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,840
a neighbor got another shark her

654
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,600
neighbor came over and got a static

655
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,480
charge also on it and so jim got down to

656
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,080
within the hour and he's a very

657
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,320
high-tech researcher has some very good

658
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,840
instrumentation

659
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,720
and

660
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,679
by that time whatever the whatever the

661
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,840
electrical charge was it had uh

662
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,039
diminished

663
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,039
and but he checked all around and there

664
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,120
was nothing that he could find that

665
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,360
would produce that type of effect but

666
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,360
here's what's really interesting that

667
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,840
was the third case

668
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,279
within months

669
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,000
of people reporting low-level uf ufo

670
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
activity

671
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,360
and having some type of like a static

672
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:30,480
charge or electric shock at right at the

673
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,360
time

674
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:34,159
now of course historically we have a lot

675
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,080
of reports of electromagnetic effects

676
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,159
different you know we've had cases where

677
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,159
an object covers over a vehicle the

678
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,520
motor scrolls

679
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,279
or the headlight to dim and the object

680
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,200
takes off and the power comes back on

681
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,720
you've heard those reports for years and

682
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,200
years absolutely

683
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,480
so also

684
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,440
i was um talking with dan hagman up in

685
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,120
butler and he again he's had a lot of

686
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,440
activity up there in the last year or so

687
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,720
but in october of last year now this is

688
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,080
interesting because these are kind of

689
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,840
the things that you and i have talked

690
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,760
about and i wrote about my solo invasive

691
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,600
book in the 70s

692
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,200
he had a report

693
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,440
from bumper county of a person was

694
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,520
driving in a car that evening

695
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,440
and saw a commotion to the right in the

696
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,960
bushes or about dusk and as a seven foot

697
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,440
tall air covered creature came walking

698
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,360
out on the road moving moved very fast

699
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:27,840
to the right was hairy muddy and matted

700
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,559
looking scared the person quite a bit

701
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,760
but i believe he said within the hour

702
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,320
in that same general area he gets

703
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,400
reports from other witnesses who are

704
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,120
reporting this very large triangular

705
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,520
object he said that they estimated to be

706
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,679
about the size of three buses hovering

707
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,080
about 100 feet off the ground and people

708
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,000
reported feeling a static electric

709
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,440
charge

710
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:52,960
so we thought that was kind of

711
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,559
interesting and then um

712
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:57,600
in

713
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,559
so this would have been a month later

714
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:05,919
of november i talked to another witness

715
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,440
very interesting case and this was um

716
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,440
let's say this is early evening on a

717
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,840
main road um coming up through fayette

718
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,760
county a rural area very close to the

719
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,520
chestnut ridge which you and i have

720
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,360
talked about many times

721
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,919
and this person in the distance

722
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,679
sees what appears to be three lights in

723
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,320
a rounded triangular configuration

724
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,200
similar to a guitar picking shape

725
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,279
and the lights were perfectly circular

726
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,279
were non-blinking kind of an orange

727
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,960
yellow color or about the size of a

728
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,279
large dinner plate as this person got

729
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,720
closer

730
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,480
this thing was hovering only about 30

731
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,400
feet off the ground

732
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,200
and a person passed basically someone

733
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,600
under pretty close underneath it

734
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,480
and

735
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,240
the lights have now changed to a pinkish

736
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,200
yellow color but this thing was small it

737
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,520
was only about 10 feet long

738
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,120
and

739
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,279
did not have the radio on but heard no

740
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,960
sound from the object

741
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,120
and this person happened to have her her

742
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,039
dog in the front seat and the dog was

743
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,200
turning his head looking at the object

744
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,320
seemed like he was getting a little

745
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,159
obsessed that she's petting the dog when

746
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,600
she petted the dog she also got a static

747
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,679
charge a slight shock for petting the

748
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,240
dog at the time so there were three

749
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,960
cases within months of that type of

750
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,960
effect which i thought was uh quite

751
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,440
interesting

752
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,960
you know for those folks who

753
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,039
don't know

754
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,200
any are much about when we reference the

755
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,880
chestnut ridge can you kind of give a

756
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,159
thumbnail

757
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,120
uh assessment of what the chestnut ridge

758
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,520
is where it's at and and some of the

759
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,360
stuff that's happened there over the

760
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,679
years

761
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,840
yeah it's uh it's an interesting uh

762
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:49,600
place and i'll tell you how i found out

763
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,679
about the ridge this was back in 1969

764
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,720
i had gotten a call that afternoon

765
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,919
of witnesses along a major highway along

766
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,600
the tree line they're seeing this very

767
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,360
large solid elliptical kind of

768
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,360
cigar-shaped object

769
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,080
that's uh hopping around the trees

770
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,080
and kind of moving almost like a

771
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,720
stair-step fashion up and down and it

772
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,559
finally drops down and looks like it's

773
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,399
landing in that area

774
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,000
so uh the people actually called the

775
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:19,120
police

776
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,080
and

777
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,840
interview the people

778
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,480
and um in the days to follow as i'm

779
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,440
interviewing people out in that area

780
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,440
and um trying to get more information on

781
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,640
that sighting

782
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,960
various people started bringing up to me

783
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,799
because we weren't that far away from

784
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,120
that section the chestnut ridge so i'm

785
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,120
not that far from dairy township in that

786
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,120
general area and they start telling me

787
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,440
about strange things that they had heard

788
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,039
about they had talked about bigfoot

789
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,240
sightings strange lights ufos

790
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,559
i play with underground sounds some

791
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,960
person actually years and years ago back

792
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,880
then they told me about somebody seemed

793
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,200
like an opening inside on the side of

794
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,279
the mountain that opened up

795
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,440
so that fascinated me

796
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,760
and it's been ever since then

797
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,840
that i've been getting reports for years

798
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,000
and years of carrying a lot of history

799
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,080
of a lot of phenomena up in that area so

800
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,000
the chestnut ridge

801
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,760
actually runs

802
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,840
it's about 100 miles long maybe a little

803
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,559
less but it goes through westmoreland

804
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:22,880
fayette and indiana county and southwest

805
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,720
pa and extends down to around preston

806
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,200
county west virginia so a few miles

807
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:31,440
outside i'm working down west virginia

808
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:35,039
it is a virtual active area year after

809
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,000
year

810
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,200
for ufo sightings bigfoot sightings

811
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,799
there have been thunderbird sightings

812
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:43,039
black panther sightings other cryptid

813
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,240
reports

814
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,640
uh ghostly apparitions

815
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
underground sounds mystery booms

816
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,200
all kind of phenomena has gone on for

817
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,960
years and years

818
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,640
along the ridge

819
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,080
and i don't know if you had a chance to

820
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,480
read that yeah that's up there's a

821
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,320
there's a lot of really interesting

822
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,600
details about the incidents that have

823
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,000
been occurring on the ridge

824
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,799
uh activity on there last year getting

825
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,640
reports already this year

826
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,799
uh one of the first reports we had in

827
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,120
january of last year

828
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,520
was in daylight so this would have been

829
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,840
right on the border of

830
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,080
westmoreland indiana county on top of

831
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,120
the ridge

832
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,360
where a witness saw a seven half to

833
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,880
eight foot tall

834
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,960
hair covered hairy bigfoot would cover

835
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,200
with dirty white matted hair which you

836
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
don't hear about those very often we've

837
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,360
had those reports in past years and it

838
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,799
was walking through a field in the

839
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,480
afternoon unfortunately the guy didn't

840
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919
have a camera with them

841
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,640
and then um in the weeks to follow other

842
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,039
people reporting uh strange screams and

843
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,200
howls up in that area but we get those

844
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:47,039
for years and years around there and

845
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,760
then

846
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:49,440
it prints in the snow

847
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,120
but it's a fascinating area

848
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,080
and again one other one other anomaly

849
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,760
that i get reports up in the air and

850
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,279
i've had one just a few weeks ago not

851
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,559
far from there

852
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,480
are these reports of again what i call

853
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,279
mini ufos and i think they are a very

854
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,919
important part of the ufo phenomena

855
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,519
i've been investigating them since the

856
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,519
1960s

857
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,960
a lot of people don't seem to know much

858
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,519
about these or talk about them uh some

859
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,039
talk more about saying of course they're

860
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,919
describing it when they talk about orbs

861
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,840
but i started investigating these back

862
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,480
years and years ago and these smaller

863
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,480
objects are fascinating because they're

864
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,960
not high altitude they're very low to

865
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,399
the ground

866
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,720
they'll on occasion come very close to

867
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,799
to human observers i mean they've been

868
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,159
close enough a person could put their

869
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,440
hand up and touch one i've had them

870
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,679
follow vehicles i've had them enter

871
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,360
pupils homes and cars through open

872
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,640
windows

873
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,120
sometimes they'll go back out the window

874
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,600
sometimes they go right through the the

875
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,519
back of the vehicle or go right through

876
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,360
a wall of the house i've had people

877
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,600
report them inside of their house

878
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,320
and these are just fascinating reports

879
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,720
now generally the smallest ones look

880
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:03,120
like oversized fireflies or lightning

881
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,240
bugs

882
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,679
and they're about an inch or two in

883
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,279
diameter and then they go up to about a

884
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,360
foot or two in diameter and then some a

885
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,559
little bigger but a foot or two in

886
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,720
diameter is very common

887
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
and again some a little smaller but

888
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,799
they're generally spherical but not

889
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,559
always

890
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,039
and um sometimes they're solid and

891
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,880
metallic looking

892
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,720
in other cases

893
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,799
they're just luminous balls of light of

894
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,399
different colors

895
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,799
and i they're very fascinating because

896
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,039
you know in more recent years now not

897
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,440
only in pennsylvania but throughout the

898
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,279
country

899
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,440
in areas where you have a lot of active

900
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:41,679
bigfoot reports

901
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,480
researchers and witnesses are reporting

902
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,880
seeing these small spheres of light low

903
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,880
to the ground in the trees sometimes

904
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,880
approaching close to them

905
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,519
and uh they're very very fascinating

906
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,480
and of course going back to even 73

907
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,559
which um i think you probably remember

908
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,480
from my solid invasion book store the

909
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,399
case north of pittsburgh

910
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,120
where two witnesses observed as white

911
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,679
hairy bigfoot running across the road

912
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,080
towards the woods and one of its hand it

913
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,039
was carrying a small sphere of light a

914
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,640
bright a bald light

915
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,720
and a short time later this object came

916
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,000
across the sky

917
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,240
projected abumalight down to the woods

918
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,919
where the creature ran into

919
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,480
right and so those kind of reports are

920
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,159
going on more and more

921
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,880
around the country some some association

922
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:31,440
between these small orbs of white and

923
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,149
well

924
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,760
yeah you know

925
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,640
i i've been

926
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,159
[Music]

927
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,679
hearing and

928
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,519
talking to folks

929
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,279
way back in the 80s

930
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,720
when i used to work for the steel

931
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,960
workers uh we used to have retreat up at

932
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,559
linden hall which is just outside of

933
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,279
periopolis but you know that whole

934
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,600
chestnut ridge laurel highland area has

935
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,760
a lot of strange phenomena

936
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,080
and uh you know i used to hear stories

937
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480
every time i used to go up there we'd go

938
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,880
and retreat be up there a week i would

939
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,720
always hear something or somebody to say

940
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,359
i saw something strange last night this

941
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,560
and that

942
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:12,399
it never failed

943
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,440
um

944
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:19,349
what do you believe is the reason behind

945
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,440
so much strangeness in that area

946
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,280
well you know i've never been able to

947
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,560
find any definitive pattern to it

948
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,800
at the ridge itself but what i did find

949
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,480
and i think you brought some about this

950
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,720
a few minutes ago what and i think you

951
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:36,879
brought the bodies of water what i found

952
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,520
many many years ago and this continues

953
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:41,119
to show up

954
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,960
many close range low-level ufo sightings

955
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:46,800
and many close range encounters with

956
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,560
bigfoot and other cryptids thunderbirds

957
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,320
the other place black panthers these

958
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:55,119
other crypts show up they calmly occur

959
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:58,960
in the vicinity of high energy sources

960
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,720
a lot of reports around

961
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,599
rivers lakes reservoirs

962
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,079
high tension power lines power plants

963
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,160
gas wells gas lines

964
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,480
radio and cell phone towers windmill

965
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,520
farms railroad tracks there's no doubt

966
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,480
whatsoever

967
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,880
that there's a energy pattern to a lot

968
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,640
of these incidents for whatever that

969
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,320
might be

970
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,680
oh i agree

971
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,000
uh it always has seemed and you know i

972
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,400
used to go in the yucca guinea a lot it

973
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,800
always seems a lot of strange activity

974
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,640
associated with the yakugini into the

975
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,880
menageola uh

976
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,880
you know i know you've had ufo reports

977
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,960
i've had people have had sightings

978
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,359
while fishing or doing whatever activity

979
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,560
along either one of those rivers uh yeah

980
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,240
i agree there's something about that

981
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,079
area

982
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,320
yeah and again you know it's interesting

983
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,960
because in over the last year when

984
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,320
you're hearing all the news about the

985
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,160
navy sightings and

986
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,079
the various objects have been seen

987
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,160
around the the military at the navy

988
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,320
vessels and then of course those that

989
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,280
focus on that one video of the object

990
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,960
going into the ocean

991
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,200
and maneuvering under the water

992
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,040
and here in pennsylvania for years and

993
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,200
years we've had reports you can see

994
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,560
going in and out of the rivers and lakes

995
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,800
of pennsylvania that's just going on for

996
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,960
a long long time

997
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:20,560
it's interesting

998
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,920
so as far as bigfoot activity in well

999
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,960
especially the ridge uh what's been

1000
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,760
coming up more more recent years i know

1001
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,240
there have been a few few interesting

1002
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,640
encounters

1003
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,040
yeah i i understand there's been some

1004
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,440
activity i don't have enough detail yet

1005
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,119
i know there's been some reports of some

1006
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,760
activity in the last couple weeks

1007
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,359
i'm not ready to talk about yet to have

1008
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,079
all the information

1009
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,520
i've heard a lot of reports over the

1010
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,240
last couple years secondhand reports of

1011
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,640
people who had friends or relatives who

1012
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,400
saw something that they believe was a

1013
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,240
bigfoot but the people themselves didn't

1014
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,079
want to come forward again there were

1015
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,880
there were several sightings last year

1016
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,320
and

1017
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,000
know we had mentioned a few minutes ago

1018
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,720
about the the strange lights and bigfoot

1019
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:12,079
here's an interesting report that

1020
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,920
happened um in more recent years 2019

1021
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:16,800
um

1022
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,079
outside of pittsburgh in a rural area

1023
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480
uh early morning hours the stella had

1024
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,079
gotten up i was looking up the i believe

1025
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,240
the kitchen window and it was all

1026
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,400
illuminated outside and the backyard

1027
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,280
went to a large wooded area he sees what

1028
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,440
appears to be a small bigfoot and we

1029
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,520
have had reports of smaller ones around

1030
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,680
four to five feet tall he said this one

1031
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,040
was about four and a half to five feet

1032
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,920
tall covered with dark dark hair

1033
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,160
long hair on the head in the back area

1034
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,640
walking up right you can see its

1035
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,119
arms extend almost down to the knees

1036
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,040
and the arms are swinging as it's moving

1037
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:53,119
but he can see it very well

1038
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,000
and

1039
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,920
it enters a particular area of the woods

1040
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,760
and he said about three seconds later

1041
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,520
after the creature had entered the woods

1042
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,839
at that same

1043
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,359
location this bright sphere of light

1044
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,040
about three or four inches in diameter

1045
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,640
suddenly appeared

1046
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,240
and he said it was similar looking check

1047
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,240
into the front of a flashlight that's

1048
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,320
only about three feet above the ground

1049
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,920
the light then moved the short distance

1050
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,760
for about three seconds and vanished

1051
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,160
about four to five seconds later that

1052
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,640
light reappeared about 10 feet away and

1053
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,200
this time that small sphere emitted a

1054
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,079
bmw light about 10 to 12 feet in length

1055
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,839
and after a few seconds it banished and

1056
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,960
it was gone

1057
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,520
so these things keep showing up

1058
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,320
and um so it's just amazing but up under

1059
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,480
ridge year after year

1060
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,400
people are seeing strange footprints in

1061
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,320
the snow and other times of the year

1062
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,720
they're hearing house and screams

1063
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,040
uh and there have been many many bigfoot

1064
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,040
sightings um over the years all through

1065
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,200
that area uh and a lot of the sightings

1066
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:53,599
have been in daylight and of course when

1067
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,280
we go back to 1973 we had that massive

1068
00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:59,599
first ufo wave across the state while

1069
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,560
all year long with multitudes of ufo

1070
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,599
sightings

1071
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,920
and then we had those very strange cases

1072
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,079
show up with bigfoot and ufos seen

1073
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,400
together at the same time in place

1074
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,839
but

1075
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,839
there was a lot of bigfoot activity

1076
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,920
especially along that area

1077
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,760
around derry township along that area

1078
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,760
the westmoreland county side of the

1079
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,359
chestnut ridge

1080
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,839
and i mean year after year we're getting

1081
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,760
reports of people seeing them up in that

1082
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,079
area but a lot of those sightings in 73

1083
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,079
i mean they were in daylight

1084
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,520
and a lot of them i went with there were

1085
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,079
cases where people were within

1086
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,640
five 10 15 feet away from these things

1087
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,720
and in some cases get multiple creatures

1088
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,839
like two or three together at the same

1089
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,400
time and my teams at the time we would

1090
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,400
get out there within minutes to hours

1091
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,880
after these occurrences took place

1092
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,480
and that's why we have a document

1093
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,040
deciding so well because it was

1094
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,200
occurring it had just occurred

1095
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,800
we interviewed the witnesses you could

1096
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,040
see the human reactions we saw the

1097
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,359
animal reactions where even the most

1098
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,520
vicious dogs wouldn't bark wouldn't move

1099
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,480
right after they were near a bigfoot

1100
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,480
that's when we began to realize that

1101
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,000
there was a lot more to the bigfoot

1102
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,400
phenomena than just an unknown animal

1103
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,760
which is what i always thought these

1104
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:14,800
things were

1105
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,640
yeah it said and in more recent years

1106
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,400
not just the case i've looked into here

1107
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,160
in pennsylvania but throughout the

1108
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,240
country and around the world now you're

1109
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,839
hearing more and more reports from other

1110
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:27,280
bigfoot investigators from other

1111
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,560
witnesses

1112
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,960
of these things that are doing things

1113
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,200
that normally animals don't do

1114
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:34,960
and of course one of the first things

1115
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,079
that we noticed back in 73 and it's been

1116
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,560
going on ever since even in recent years

1117
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,560
and even in fresh snow

1118
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,720
you have these trails of these large

1119
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,200
strange footprints with very large

1120
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
strides between them

1121
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,880
that go for a distance and then just

1122
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,680
abruptly stop and end when there's more

1123
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,040
tracks

1124
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,720
and there was no way under the

1125
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,040
circumstance that we found these cases

1126
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,760
that it could have been fabricated

1127
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:04,160
and uh that's just an amazing thing to

1128
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,040
see

1129
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,200
and and then we have reports more and

1130
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,040
more people seeing

1131
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,880
bigfoot like creatures

1132
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,480
that sometimes appear completely

1133
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,640
physically solid

1134
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,400
but sometimes they just suddenly appear

1135
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,839
out of nowhere

1136
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,440
the people going down the road and this

1137
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,640
thing just suddenly appears out of

1138
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,880
nowhere they see it from head to toe and

1139
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,359
moments later it's just gone

1140
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,720
and then you have these other cases

1141
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,440
where people said if the body is kind of

1142
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,800
out of focus

1143
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,359
it's not completely solid

1144
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,280
and sometimes these things appear to be

1145
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,520
not just running very quickly but they

1146
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,280
appear to be either floating or gliding

1147
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,280
above the surface of the field or the

1148
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,760
road and i'm sure some of those cases

1149
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,950
yeah we have one not long ago up near uh

1150
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,440
shippensburg up in cumberland county uh

1151
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,520
something very similar to that

1152
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,680
uh

1153
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,800
and and there's another area

1154
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,560
pennsylvania fascinates me because we

1155
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,640
have had some reports out there more

1156
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
recently in particular bigfoot is out in

1157
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:05,359
greene county now of course

1158
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,319
uh

1159
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,160
greene county and washington county have

1160
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,560
had a lot of strange phenomena over the

1161
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,680
years

1162
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,400
uh james west in particular who's now a

1163
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,520
member of our team uh had the the

1164
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
upright canine dogman encounters there

1165
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,920
we've had some bigfoot sightings more

1166
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,359
recently

1167
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,000
and uh i've talked to

1168
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,400
numerous people who have had

1169
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,640
strange encounters in that area as well

1170
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,710
oh yeah queen county washington county i

1171
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,319
mean all those areas outside of

1172
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:41,200
pittsburgh have had a long long history

1173
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:41,920
and

1174
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,760
yeah

1175
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,040
these things are going on everywhere

1176
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,400
there's probably not an area in

1177
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,240
pennsylvania that there haven't been

1178
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,000
reports over the years

1179
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:55,040
uh eastern pa and of course southwest pa

1180
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,359
is always active year after year

1181
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,280
and i'm hearing uh quite a bit of

1182
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,560
activity

1183
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,920
up in up uh north northern part of the

1184
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,200
state this would be up around the

1185
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,520
pennsylvania new york border

1186
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,720
there's always been a lot of reports

1187
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,319
around the allegheny national forest in

1188
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,880
that general area but i'm hearing me for

1189
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,440
some others and and i've interviewed

1190
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,280
people and other witnesses who've had

1191
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:21,440
things going on in recent months

1192
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,240
and

1193
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,760
you know line

1194
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,119
again to something i know we've

1195
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,720
discussed in the past

1196
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,280
uh you could have a sporadic sighting

1197
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,720
just be in the right place at the right

1198
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,599
time

1199
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,960
to have a bigfoot maybe right out in

1200
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,480
front of your car or see a thunderbird

1201
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,119
or a black panther but

1202
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,240
it there also is this other aspect of

1203
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,079
the phenomena

1204
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,359
that

1205
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,760
there are times over the years where

1206
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,640
this phenomena seems to focus on a

1207
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,839
particular geographical location

1208
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,040
and

1209
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,599
the phenomena it can last for minutes

1210
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,160
hours days or years

1211
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,839
and that's when you have this outbreak

1212
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,839
where all of a sudden

1213
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,000
you have ufo sightings you have these

1214
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,560
orbs of light you have bigfoot sightings

1215
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,599
cryptid sightings screams and howls and

1216
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,400
footprints and paranormal phenomena and

1217
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,240
ghostly apparition that all kinds of

1218
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,520
things go on

1219
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,040
so it's similar to what the skin walker

1220
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,880
ranch we've all heard about but this has

1221
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,040
been going on for years and years i was

1222
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,280
looking at these cases back in the 70s

1223
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,599
and in more recent years now there are

1224
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,160
some specific areas of pennsylvania on

1225
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,800
certain properties where this is ongoing

1226
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,440
and some of these are just amazing the

1227
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,200
type of activity and the weird things

1228
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,640
that are going on

1229
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,560
and uh and again it's not just in

1230
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,640
pennsylvania i mean there's places all

1231
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,240
around the country now we're hearing

1232
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,480
they have similar type of things

1233
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,640
occurring so it's just really

1234
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,440
interesting what this is all about and i

1235
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,880
personally i don't think anybody

1236
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,640
including the government understands it

1237
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,760
i think

1238
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:55,359
someone's interested in this type of

1239
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,240
thing

1240
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:57,280
and

1241
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,200
answers themselves so far

1242
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,200
yeah i'm with you on that i mean it's

1243
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,119
it's interesting or some of these flaps

1244
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,760
turn up even might be a small flap just

1245
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,440
like chicago i mean

1246
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,760
that whole thing is just um

1247
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,839
that's beyond much of what we've ever

1248
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,319
had especially in the urban area and

1249
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,599
in areas around it um

1250
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,680
you know i i'll be honest with you with

1251
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,359
all the stuff that's been going on in

1252
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,760
pennsylvania in more recent years and

1253
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,000
the variety of stuff

1254
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,240
i i'm i'm looking

1255
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,720
that to where we may get a flap

1256
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,000
somewhere

1257
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,560
of uh just like we did the 73 with the

1258
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,880
ufo and then cryptids

1259
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,000
occurring

1260
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,240
uh i i think it's very possible we're

1261
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,079
going to get something like that in in

1262
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,400
the near future you know the activity

1263
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,040
down here in my area down here by uh

1264
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,119
well in the susquehanna valley

1265
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,560
particularly the southern susquehanna

1266
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,520
valley

1267
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,839
down into adams and new york and

1268
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,440
lancaster counties

1269
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,359
it's been very active with a lot of

1270
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,960
different stuff you know we've had wing

1271
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,880
humanoids bigfoot

1272
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,440
upright canines dog man

1273
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,839
lots of ufo activity it seems like butch

1274
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:10,079
got three or four calls a week

1275
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,880
of

1276
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,800
uh craft

1277
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,599
going across the the river and and being

1278
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,640
sighted

1279
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,839
so uh

1280
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,160
if something major happens around here

1281
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:21,680
or anywhere else instead it wouldn't

1282
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,670
yeah again it's well what's fascinating

1283
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,200
to me again is this

1284
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,440
surge of activity since october of last

1285
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,440
year when things generally quiet down

1286
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,280
and into this year

1287
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,960
uh there's been some really interesting

1288
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,280
cases going on and you know also

1289
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,280
i told you about those events that

1290
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,800
happened up in armstrong county on the

1291
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,440
west virginia pa border back in january

1292
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,000
15. what i didn't mention to you is that

1293
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,359
same morning

1294
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,640
in daylight

1295
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,040
up in cambria county there was another

1296
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,160
very close-range black panther encounter

1297
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,200
and then just last week up on the ridge

1298
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,839
again up right near the ridge up in the

1299
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,680
westmoreland county side again in the

1300
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,480
afternoon another black panther sighting

1301
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,800
and that first very critical witness had

1302
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,480
a good look at this thing

1303
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,440
um it was afternoon it but it was just

1304
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,920
it was uh late afternoon about getting

1305
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,960
dusk

1306
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,560
and he thought at first when he saw this

1307
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,800
thing was a deer but it was getting dark

1308
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,200
and he gets his binoculars and he says

1309
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,200
it's this huge huge

1310
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,520
uh black cat

1311
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,359
and um

1312
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,440
anyhow he gets in his vehicle and goes

1313
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,119
after this thing

1314
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,800
and he tried to get a couple pictures of

1315
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,559
what you did but unfortunately it was

1316
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,800
almost dark and the camera didn't do a

1317
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,319
very good job you can see something on

1318
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,319
there but not enough to be sure he

1319
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,720
couldn't get any closer to it than um i

1320
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,240
think he said about 50 yards about the

1321
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,079
close he could get to it and he started

1322
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,599
running off but he said he got a really

1323
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,359
good look at this thing he said it was

1324
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,920
solid black and huge he said the body

1325
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,280
was at least three to three and a half

1326
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,680
feet long with a tail very long about

1327
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,760
the same length of the body tail was

1328
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,400
long and thick and curled up underneath

1329
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,839
and all black

1330
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,400
and he's certain that's what it was and

1331
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,440
um

1332
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,680
these black panther reports are just so

1333
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,319
intriguing because of course when we

1334
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,079
think about black panthers we're talking

1335
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,720
about black lepers or black jagger wires

1336
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,400
not common this part of the world but

1337
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,000
they've been seeing these for years and

1338
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,720
years here in pennsylvania

1339
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,400
and um

1340
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:27,040
there was that one case that i had

1341
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:27,920
that

1342
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,319
there's more to the black panther

1343
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,720
phenomena and i found other patterns as

1344
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,640
well than just an unknown or out of

1345
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,079
place animal

1346
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,480
that happened back in february of 83. do

1347
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,000
you want me to tell you the story about

1348
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,680
it absolutely because i've been getting

1349
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:45,280
black panther sightings and hearing

1350
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,400
about them

1351
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,680
up your way for years now

1352
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,440
yeah well there's some very strange

1353
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,520
elements so black panther phenomena

1354
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
mountain lions is one thing the black

1355
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,280
panther of course is something much more

1356
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,760
unusual so this occurred in february of

1357
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,520
83.

1358
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,800
very cold

1359
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,400
one o'clock in the morning this man's

1360
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,480
coming home from his friend's house

1361
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,640
his car is overheating

1362
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,800
so he pulls into the driveway

1363
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,760
uh and went in the garage to get a can

1364
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,520
of antifreeze

1365
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,280
so he comes back out and he opens up the

1366
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,720
hood and he's putting any freeze in the

1367
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,680
vehicle

1368
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,920
and a few seconds later he hears his

1369
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,040
ground

1370
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,800
so he turns around

1371
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,559
and about 20 feet away there's those

1372
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,160
large black house cats sitting there

1373
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,160
staring at him growling at him he didn't

1374
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,760
think too much of it because those cats

1375
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,599
around he's out in the country

1376
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,440
he goes back to putting more antifreeze

1377
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,160
in the vehicle a few seconds later

1378
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,200
he hears a second growl but this time

1379
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,000
the growl is much deeper and louder and

1380
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,480
when he turns around to look

1381
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,440
he's shocked because that large house

1382
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,079
cat had now physically grown about

1383
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,079
another foot in length

1384
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,480
so he throws the empty antifreeze chuck

1385
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,480
at the animal when he hits it and it

1386
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,559
growls fiercely at him like it's going

1387
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,640
to attack and it takes two or three

1388
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,480
steps backwards and growls again and

1389
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,319
starts moving up the right outside

1390
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,760
that's wrong with

1391
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,680
so this guy runs inside and grabs his

1392
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,559
pistol and he comes back out and now

1393
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,599
he's just shocked because this animal is

1394
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,000
now physically the size of what he saw

1395
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:20,880
in the zoo he said it's a black panther

1396
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,240
it has glowing gloomy yellow eyes and

1397
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,720
staring at him with a long tail he takes

1398
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,880
one shot at he wasn't sure if he hit it

1399
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,040
and moments later it's physically

1400
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:32,559
vanished and disappeared right in front

1401
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,790
yeah i i have heard a lot of stories

1402
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,640
about those over the years i mean i had

1403
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,720
a friend close friend

1404
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,440
who um whose family ran a funeral home

1405
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:46,960
up in uniontown

1406
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,079
the name his last name was lance

1407
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,079
and uh

1408
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,240
he was uh he he was also trained

1409
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,119
undertaker mortician as well

1410
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:58,880
and he used to talk about that large

1411
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,000
cemetery in uniontown and uh about

1412
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
people seeing black panthers up there

1413
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,079
have you ever heard of anything up there

1414
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,720
in uniontown like that

1415
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,720
oh yeah well this occurred not far from

1416
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,359
uniontown yeah and the one i just told

1417
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,440
you about but yeah this fighting is

1418
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,680
around that area for years of people

1419
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,920
seeing it all through fayette county all

1420
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,680
through the ridges all around this area

1421
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,960
people been seeing them for years and

1422
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,280
years but here's the thing one that's

1423
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,760
really fascinating and i talked about

1424
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,599
sometimes this phenomenon whatever we're

1425
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,920
dealing with seems like when this gets

1426
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,440
there's an outbreak of all kinds of

1427
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:35,040
anomalies

1428
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,240
and back in basically my memory is 1979

1429
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,640
this is down around apollo pennsylvania

1430
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:44,400
so it's on the border of

1431
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,920
westmoreland and armstrong county

1432
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,839
an outbreak of all kind of phenomena

1433
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,280
went started

1434
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,160
it was in the summer of 79 when some

1435
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,079
kind of a strange object fell out of the

1436
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,640
sky that afternoon into the woods

1437
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,800
and aft soon after that they began to

1438
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,599
hear

1439
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,240
cries and howls and screams and see

1440
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,319
weird lights and orbs of light

1441
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,920
and footprints

1442
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,960
and then over the next two years or so

1443
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,119
things began to happen quite a bit

1444
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,160
bigfoot encounters ufos so you have all

1445
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,319
this bigfoot activity and then at the

1446
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,400
same time you had an outbreak of black

1447
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,880
panther sightings in the same area

1448
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,680
and

1449
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,559
this series of events became so

1450
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,119
uh well known that the local news

1451
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,640
actually covered in the newspaper and on

1452
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,160
television

1453
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,200
and it was an amazing time

1454
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,640
and there was even

1455
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,920
some incidents

1456
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,960
involved with some of the people

1457
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:41,200
involved in that case who claimed that

1458
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,400
this thing

1459
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,800
tried this bigfoot mentally tried to

1460
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,359
telepathy communicate with them which is

1461
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,960
something that's very rare in this part

1462
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,040
of the country i've only had a handful

1463
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,880
of cases like that

1464
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,640
again the witnesses are credible they

1465
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:56,480
were really reluctant to tell me about

1466
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:57,359
it

1467
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:58,559
and

1468
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,760
but that was fascinating so sometimes

1469
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,359
when you have an outbreak of bigfoot

1470
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,359
sightings in a certain area you also

1471
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,760
have an outbreak of other cryptids and

1472
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,520
you may have heard this over the years

1473
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,880
there have been incidents where you have

1474
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,559
a bigfoot

1475
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:14,800
accompanying another cryptid together at

1476
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,030
yeah i've heard a lot of strange things

1477
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,400
um

1478
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:24,160
uh you know you mentioned before with

1479
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:25,280
the uh

1480
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,160
with the orbs being seen

1481
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:33,119
around sightings of a bigfoot more more

1482
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,319
and um

1483
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,160
that does seem to happen

1484
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,160
uh and i have had

1485
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,040
sightings of uh

1486
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,480
mostly other other types of candidates

1487
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,800
and other beings around them that were

1488
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,200
indiscernible but uh yeah i mean it does

1489
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,599
seem to to work like that where there's

1490
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,040
there always seems to be something

1491
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,160
different uh going on different

1492
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,160
connections and you know

1493
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,839
we get a lot of reports like that where

1494
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,680
there's there's other aspects born

1495
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,680
paranormal involved with some type of

1496
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:07,920
being

1497
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,200
oh yeah it's it's just so so strange and

1498
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,440
yeah uh again you know so many of the

1499
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,359
witnesses you interview

1500
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,200
you hear these stories of so many people

1501
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,520
and high percentage of these people one

1502
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,200
never believed these things could exist

1503
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,960
they never they very rarely would ever

1504
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,200
talk about it publicly and even when i'm

1505
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,720
interviewing them they were so reluctant

1506
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,160
to talk about it

1507
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,440
and for many of them it was a

1508
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,119
life-changing event

1509
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,599
i mean there's people from 40 years or

1510
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,520
more ago that i'm still in touch with

1511
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,440
and they've never been the same since

1512
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,359
because they encountered something that

1513
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,359
they always laughed at that they never

1514
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,359
believed could be a real thing

1515
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,119
and now they realize that what they saw

1516
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,960
was something that is not supposed to

1517
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,920
exist

1518
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,040
right

1519
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,359
uh we got a question in the chat what's

1520
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,280
the strangest case that you've ever been

1521
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,440
involved with

1522
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:58,400
oh

1523
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,270
yeah i know i hate when i get that

1524
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,280
question myself

1525
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,960
yeah there's there's so many and every

1526
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,640
year there's something more and i mean

1527
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,640
there are multitudes of cases in the new

1528
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:12,960
book they're just so bizarre and so

1529
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,280
strange but the winner always sticks out

1530
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:19,760
is of course that that multiple witness

1531
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,480
ufo landing outs not far from uniontown

1532
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,119
you brought that up during the the 73

1533
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,799
bigfoot waves

1534
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,480
and that was that case where you had

1535
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,640
multiple witnesses observing that large

1536
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,160
ufo

1537
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,119
that was about as big as a barn a big

1538
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:37,599
red sphere about 100 feet off the ground

1539
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,119
that night of october 25th 1973

1540
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,720
uh when i got a call from a state

1541
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,040
trooper from the uniontown barracks

1542
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,960
that asked me to set up my team as soon

1543
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,280
as possible because of this incident had

1544
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,200
just taken place

1545
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:52,319
and

1546
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,760
the brief part of the story is that

1547
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,599
about 15 people

1548
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,520
in that community that real community

1549
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,119
outside of uniontown

1550
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,359
they observe that red sphere

1551
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,400
hovering and then slowly moving downward

1552
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,400
and it looks like it's going to land on

1553
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,799
on this farm on the pasture

1554
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,559
and it happened to be at that time that

1555
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,040
the farmer's son who was a big fella was

1556
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,720
coming out to visit his dad and his

1557
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,520
family where this was happening he sees

1558
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:21,119
this thing and he sees that people stand

1559
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,640
outside looking at it

1560
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,319
he goes to a better location get a

1561
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,000
better look and he and two young boys

1562
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:27,920
decide they're gonna go up and see what

1563
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,599
this thing is and um he stopped over at

1564
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,480
his dad's farm grabbed a 30 odd six and

1565
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,880
a handful of ammunition

1566
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,720
and he didn't realize to a little later

1567
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,559
that he actually had two tracer bullets

1568
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,040
in that ammunition as well

1569
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,839
and um so anyhow as they're proceeding

1570
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,400
up the farm road towards the pasture

1571
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
the dogs around the area just going

1572
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,319
crazy they have this high-pitched

1573
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,240
whining noise and they have these baby

1574
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,480
crying sounds

1575
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,319
and as they get closer the noises are

1576
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,559
getting louder and louder so they they

1577
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,200
angle their truck and they let the left

1578
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,760
the headlights on to see the path

1579
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,119
and they notice it looked like something

1580
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:08,400
was draining in the power from the

1581
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,680
headlights that they had never noticed

1582
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,799
before

1583
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,240
and they finally make their way up to

1584
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,839
the heel and they're standing there

1585
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:16,799
about 250 feet away this object which

1586
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,599
had been a big round sphere in the sky

1587
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,319
was now a very large

1588
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,040
about 100 foot in diameter big white

1589
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,680
dome so it's like a half a sphere

1590
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,119
and it's making this high-pitched

1591
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,799
whining noise

1592
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,920
and they can't believe what they're

1593
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,960
seeing

1594
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,720
so they're standing there studying this

1595
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,799
thing trying to figure it out

1596
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,559
when their attention is drawn to those

1597
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,079
barbed wire fence about 75 feet away

1598
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,599
and that's when

1599
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,000
they see these two huge bigfoot like

1600
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,400
creatures one behind the other slowly

1601
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,920
moving

1602
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,599
one behind the other along the fence

1603
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,200
line towards them

1604
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,960
the biggest ones in front is about eight

1605
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,079
feet tall

1606
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:58,000
the one behind it's about seven feet

1607
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:59,119
tall

1608
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,160
and

1609
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,680
they cover a large

1610
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,400
uh

1611
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,440
long

1612
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,200
dark matted hair

1613
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,440
hanging down from the arms

1614
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,880
that the arm

1615
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,799
arms are so long

1616
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,160
they're almost down to the ground

1617
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,559
they're very very long arms

1618
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,640
they have no neck

1619
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,079
one thing was very prominent with the

1620
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,319
eyes the orange eyes were very large and

1621
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,160
they were self luminous and they're

1622
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,720
glowing bright green

1623
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,480
and they're making this whining baby

1624
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,920
crying sound

1625
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,680
well the one boy is so frightened he

1626
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,359
runs out of the field

1627
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,280
and then the other young fella yells to

1628
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,960
the older guy to shoot at them shoot

1629
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,680
them

1630
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,760
and he fires the first shot which turns

1631
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,440
out to be a tracer bullet he just got

1632
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,920
that that luminous trajectory

1633
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,319
he fires over their head he fires the

1634
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,760
second tracer

1635
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,839
here's when it got interesting when he

1636
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,079
fires that second tracer the largest of

1637
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,760
the two creature

1638
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,760
raises us one hand as reaches out as

1639
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,000
they grab that tracer makes a loud

1640
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,559
whining crying sound and at the exact

1641
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,119
moment it does that that large object in

1642
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,480
the field

1643
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,559
vanishes and disappears

1644
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,559
it doesn't take off and accelerate and

1645
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,559
guard it's just gone

1646
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:10,640
so most of the luminosity that was

1647
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,000
producing and the sound that stopped

1648
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,240
at that point the creatures turn around

1649
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,000
slowly start walking back along the

1650
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,640
barbed wire fence towards the woods

1651
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,720
and he's firing live ammo on top of his

1652
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,040
30 odd six into the creatures mainly

1653
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,119
aiming at the largest one

1654
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,720
and he always said to me before he

1655
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,160
passed away years ago he said i'll never

1656
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,319
forget how i'm pumping a lot of ammo

1657
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,480
into that thing there's no effect on it

1658
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,640
whatsoever it just kept staring at him

1659
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,160
with those glowing green eyes as

1660
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,160
expiring into it

1661
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,119
and

1662
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,559
at that point they run back to their

1663
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,440
truck and go back to the farmhouse

1664
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,119
and take the family to a neighbor and

1665
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,799
they call the state police

1666
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,040
and when the trooper arrives 45 minutes

1667
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,910
he said he went up into the area

1668
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,760
and the area where the object was on the

1669
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,960
ground

1670
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,280
was self-luminescent glowing about 100

1671
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,040
feet or more in diameter

1672
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,520
the farm animals wouldn't go near it

1673
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,119
he said

1674
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,440
he if he shined his flashlight beam into

1675
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,280
it he could barely see it and he said if

1676
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,799
i had a newspaper i'm sure i could have

1677
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,119
read the newspaper from the glow coming

1678
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,720
off that area

1679
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,559
and then a lot of things happened during

1680
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,960
the night i got stranger and stranger i

1681
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,839
was told they went back to the barracks

1682
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,599
both the trooper and the witness were

1683
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,359
separately interviewed then they called

1684
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,040
me to set up my team

1685
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,400
and we were up there during early

1686
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,319
morning hours it was

1687
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,640
it was the case that convinced myself

1688
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,040
and some of my skeptical team members

1689
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,720
because we had scientists and engineers

1690
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,760
and research people in the group right

1691
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,599
but as time went on they began to

1692
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:46,000
realize something was going on but that

1693
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,839
case was the case that convinced me and

1694
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,680
others that we're dealing with something

1695
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:54,079
much stranger than an unknown animal

1696
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,520
and there's a lot we just didn't

1697
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,760
understand and from that point on the

1698
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,240
reports got stranger and stranger in the

1699
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,319
weeks ahead

1700
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,200
absolutely you know it folks if you uh

1701
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,200
get the small town monsters film

1702
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,359
division on chestnut ridge

1703
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,160
it that incident is depicted very

1704
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,000
distinctly in that

1705
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,480
uh and stands in the film as well and i

1706
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,640
think jim's in it also

1707
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,520
uh

1708
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:21,680
it's a very good film and it really

1709
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:24,559
goes into depth of what happened

1710
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,160
during that incident so um so stan tell

1711
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,839
folks how they can get a hold of you how

1712
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,520
they can get your new book

1713
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,599
and uh whatever else you want to put out

1714
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,200
there

1715
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,240
okay well my website is stan gordon dot

1716
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,319
info info

1717
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:42,160
contact information is on the website

1718
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:45,760
there's the email address which is p a

1719
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,799
ufo comcast dot net and there's other

1720
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:50,319
ways to contact me as well through the

1721
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:51,440
website

1722
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,240
uh all of my books are available at

1723
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,000
amazon.com barnesandnoble.com the new

1724
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,039
book which has again some very very

1725
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:01,200
strange cases it gets into a lot of

1726
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,480
detail about a lot of the straight

1727
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:04,400
things up on the chestnut ridge and

1728
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,680
other areas

1729
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,839
and it's called creepy cryptids and

1730
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,319
strange ufo encounters of pennsylvania

1731
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,559
bigfoot thunderbirds mysteries of the

1732
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,400
chestnut ridge and more

1733
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,240
and i think people are going to find you

1734
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,119
some really fascinating stories in there

1735
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:22,480
i highly recommend it and uh stan

1736
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:25,039
again thanks for coming on with me

1737
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,319
uh

1738
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,520
buddy we'll be talking very soon

1739
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,119
all right have a good evening and thanks

1740
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:32,960
again for having me on the program you

1741
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,950
now you've had an unexplained encounter

1742
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:40,799
or something feel free to contact me

1743
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,839
directly at famsum uh or at fams

1744
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,079
monsters on the blog site or go ahead

1745
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,640
and email me at lawn strickler fans of

1746
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,480
monsters dot com

1747
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,559
also if you would like to have your

1748
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,720
encounter or sighting read on the show

1749
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,880
please forward to my email we're going

1750
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:58,000
to be

1751
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,440
producing

1752
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,640
a show either on a weekly or bi-weekly

1753
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,839
basis

1754
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,160
where i'm going to be reading newer

1755
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,079
reports that come in

1756
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,319
so uh that's in the works so you can

1757
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:12,720
look forward to that real soon you know

1758
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,280
i want to again thank stan gordon for uh

1759
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,039
joining me this evening

1760
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,960
and thanks to each and all of you for

1761
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,039
watching and chatting if you you've made

1762
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,039
a super chat donation

1763
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,119
it's truly appreciated your support is

1764
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,920
what makes us possible so please like

1765
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,720
subscribe and share and also we the

1766
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,880
membership is available as well so go

1767
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,839
over there

1768
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,640
check it out and uh sign up

1769
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,960
my new book the meme humanoids modern

1770
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,440
myth or real monster is now available on

1771
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,960
amazon

1772
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,400
so uh

1773
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,960
and we will be giving out a couple books

1774
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,960
on next week's show

1775
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,359
which is going to be a humanoid

1776
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,440
roundtable discussion

1777
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,880
the uh

1778
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,200
the guests are kind of

1779
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,880
non-committal at this point we'll have

1780
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,039
the list done a couple days

1781
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,680
and i'll post the uh i'll post the uh

1782
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,039
the show then

1783
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,359
so but it should be very interesting in

1784
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,200
a very interesting entertaining

1785
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:10,880
discussion so

1786
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:13,920
until next week stay healthy and have a

1787
01:05:19,990 --> 01:04:25,220
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